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jack smith suffered a setback for stormy daniels moves her testimony tomorrow. and marjorie taylor green gets booed on the house floor. here on the chaos in his party just weeks after he quit congress. plus, biden versus trump on the economy. why the current president is calling out the former one in wisconsin as the 11th hour gets underway on this wednesday night. good evening, once again, i'm stephanie ruhle, and we are now 181 days away from the election. tomorrow stormy daniels will be back on the witness stand to face more cross-examination from trump's defense attorneys. today was an off day for the trial, and trump spent it down in florida before flying back tonight. while the case in new york was quiet, there was plenty of news at trump's other criminal cases. in georgia, an appeals court has granted trump's request and

i'll consider disqualifying d.a. fani willis from his election interference case. this decision makes it even less likely that the case goes to trial before the election. it comes a day after special counsel jack smith suffered a very big setback in the classified documents case down in florida. judge aileen cannon indefinitely delayed that trial, trump's wildest wish. and today there was a field hearing about some of the details in that case. and on top of all of that, we can get more decisions from the supreme court tomorrow as we wait for their ruling on donald trump's presidential immunity claimant. with that, let's get smarter with the help of our panel this evening. molly john fast is here, special correspondent for vanity fair and msnbc contributor. mckenna joins us here in new york, former adviser to both george w. bush and john mccain, and former u.s. attorney joyce vance, who spent 35 years as a federal prosecutor.

molly, donald trump's attorneys will have had 36 hours to pull their next strategy together for stormy daniels on the stand tomorrow. what are you looking for? >> this is tough. because there is a huge power imbalance between these two people, and susan eccles is this female defense lawyer, the best lawyer trump has. but she is really just been trotted out for this stormy daniels cross. so i think it will be really interesting to see. i read some reporting from people in the courthouse who said that perhaps the jury did not love her beating up on the witness, and i have read other reporting that there if in other cases where she has been hard on female witnesses. i'm not sure that plays in the way she is hoping it will. again, this is a jury case, so you have a jury to appeal to. >> mark, how hard do you think trump's team is going to go

after stormy daniels, especially when you think about his demands on his attorneys and all the gory details she went into yesterday. >> i think they will be pretty aggressive. i think that is what trump once. i think that's what he expects, and i think they feel there is enough credibility holes in the testimony to take it apart. and particularly when you have the judge himself questioning whether or not testimony should have been included, that throws up flares for everybody about whether or not it could be a field. >> to that very point, we heard a lot of graphic details from stormy daniels. trump loyalists, we know they will side with him no matter what. but what about independent voters out there? do those dirty details hurt trump? or maybe even the reverse? >> i don't think at the end of the day the dirty details matter at all. everyone is familiar with what likely happened, and they are only surprised if he paid or not to have sex . that is what they found problematic. at the end of the day, does any of this stuff matter in the

election? i think that in an election that could be decided by 10, 20, 30,000 votes in three states, you know, we do know that no matter what people say about the weakest case, there could be a defense of their the end of the day. i don't like voting for somebody who sounds guilty of any crime, no matter when it is. that should be enough. >> but you are also trying to convince evangelicals that they should stick with this guy after he -- >> molly, molly, they are with him. their argument is god chooses strange messengers. they have already figured out why and how they can reconcile everything with trump and they are not leaving. joyce, if you are the prosecution, what are you hoping for in what happens with this cross-examination? what are you hoping stormie does? >> well, you are hoping she will actually be even better on cross-examination that she was on direct. that is a phenomenon that you see sometimes with a witness who is being pushed heavily on cross-examination.

and sometimes they will simply grow a spine and dig in and become very insistent. as you will recall, in opening statement, trump's's lawyer said that whether stormy daniels would testify to was a lie. now the burden is on them to deliver on that promise. and if she holds up well on cross-examination it really makes rows into their credibility. >> i feel like what is left for there to tell us? the prosecution is clear they want to redirect. what else are they hoping to get from her? >> well, they will cleanup anything that happens in cross- examination. if she falters, if she gets cut off from explain something, they will be able to redirect her attention to make sure that the jury is focused on the evidentiary points that they need them to be focused on. you know, stormy daniels's testimony is interesting, i think, in the sense that people view this as a case that in

addition to having legal consequence also has political consequence. but the prosecution needs to prove the elements of the case. and the big one is to convince the jury that donald trump was a part of this scheme. and the fact that stormy daniels's story is something that would have been so damaging to him had it come out ahead of the election, that is an important thing for the jury to understand. >> joyce, you kind of lit a candle of hope today for a whole lot of people who are feeling hopeless, and you wrote that after 25 years as a federal prosecutor, you have faith in the jury system no matter what happens. why? >> look, that is not to say that there are not sometimes juries that go astray. but by and large, 12 americans possessed of common sense and good attention spans will reach the right result in a courtroom. and what happens is we are

observers. we are able to read the transcript in this case, sometimes we are able to watch trials on tv. but the jury is there for every minute of the proceedings. they hear the witnesses, they take instruction from the judge on the law, they can evaluate the witnesses demeanor on a first-hand basis. and they take their job very seriously. juries are not cavalier about the responsibility. in this case i expect that they are paying close attention, that they will deliberate carefully, and that they will reach a verdict based on the evidence. and if prosecutors do their job, they will convict. >> i know i am bombarding you with questions, but turned to georgia with us for a moment. an appeals court there now might disqualify fani willis . if she would have recused herself months ago, would we be in trial territory at this point? >> you know, it's tough to say. there are so many variables here, but the reality is that what the court of appeals in georgia will do is they will

decide whether or not the trial judge, judge mcafee, got it right. they are reviewing his decision. they will accord him broad discretion, i think it is unlikely that they will reverse them. the real issue here is the amount of time it will take. it will probably take months. and then, of course, whichever party loses in the court of appeals will almost certainly take an appeal to the georgia supreme court. so it is less the ultimate outcome of this case, and whether or not what fani willis did was correct at the beginning. this was always going to go on this appellate path once the issue arose, and it is unfortunate. you know, i think we all have views about why we got here, but the reality is this case is now delayed severely. >> delay, delay, delay. in florida, delayed indefinitely. now georgia. it has been a rough few days for jack smith and fani willis .

mark, do you think we are going to see any progress here before the election? and after the election. do you think these trials are ever going to happen? >> i don't know. the key question is anything going to happen before the election? i think the day is no. the days of magical legal thinking is over. the legal cavalry is not coming to the rescue of joe biden. which i think is good. i think voters should focus on the election. the way to beat donald trump is ultimately not in court, but the ballot box. humiliate him, take away his power, take away his standing with voters and do it legally, straightforward at the ballot box. >> look, these are the guardrails not holding. this is a guy who spent $100 million to fund these cases. he has hired the best lawyers. we are going to see the criminal new york case, but i don't think we will see any other cases. >> did he hire the best lawyers? or is aileen cannon in his

pocket and he got wildly lucky in georgia? come on. >> she is not the best lawyer, but todd lance is a pretty good lawyer. he has had some pretty good lawyers. he has also had onions and millions and millions of dollars. so he has managed to hunt a lot of this stuff and i think he got lucky, and i think the supreme court, you listen to those two justices, they have really done for him what few thought they would. >> and let's talk politics, because we now have two democratic senators who are now publicly going after aileen cannon . and i completely get why they feel that way, but is it a gift to trump for politicians to weigh in? because he loves to argue that all of these cases are rigged, it's all about politics, democrats pushing the doj. >> yeah, but more for him, the better. who would've thought, on paper,

a year ago, that a nominee for a major party would be indicted four times, 91 counts, and be stronger after all of that than he was before? and so, for trump and his base particularly, the more partisan it gets and the more partisan the attacks are on the judges, it makes the point. they are coming for you, they've got to go through me. and it is a partisan attack. >> how about tomorrow? when trump goes back to court, rick scott from florida is going to be by his side. the latest contacts us in the vp sweepstakes. >> everyone is trying to shine his shoes. >> i haven't seen melania show up. or ivanka. not his wife, his firstborn daughter, his firstborn son. i wouldn't say everyone is showing up. mike pence, nikki haley. >> everyone who wants to be in the oval office next to donald trump. >> that is true. before we go, i want to ask about your latest vanity fair

piece. in it you write that even though it feels like this election has been going on forever, americans have to keep paying attention. how do you convince people to do just that? >> part of it is just not avoiding the news. i am here to tell you that it is good to stay informed. i am here on a panel to tell you to watch 11th hour. but i also think, you know, we have six months to go. anything can happen. and the truth is, none of us know. and if anything, there is more possibility than ever, because the polls have been very off. so it really is the time for all of us to just be really committed to remember that it is , the issue is the stakes and not the odds. >> does this surprise you? relevant of where you are on the political spectrum, does it surprise you that more americans aren't glued to the tv every

twist and turn in this trump trial? most likely because it is not televised, but this is a former president of the united states as a criminal defendant. i mean, we were watching the johnny depp and amber heard trial day in and day out in 24/7 . >> yeah, i think sometimes people like us who do pay attention forget that most of the people in this country have lives to live. they have jobs to go to, they have kids and parents to care for, they have long commutes. they are busy, they are tired at the end of the day. so they are reliant on analysts and news reporters to give them snippets of the trial. look, i think a big disservice is done to the country when cases like this are not accessible on television. we all know, we are reading this on the cold record, and that is just no substitute for watching it happen. but i think molly makes this important point about why

people need to stay plugged in on the news. i think it is a shared responsibility between citizens and the media to make sure that people don't underestimate this moment, and it is important. most important, perhaps, the people understand who donald trump is. love them, hate them, vote for him, don't vote for him. people are entitled to the facts and they should have them before the election. >> mark, your wife came with you to the studio tonight and i just want you to give the opportunity to sound really smart and have the last word. what's your take? >> we have 180 days of the election and the smartest guy have worked in and politics, james carville, said the era of strategic certainty is over. >> what does that mean? >> it means i didn't see that one coming. something is going to happen that we couldn't have predicted. this thing is a jump ball, and anything can happen. >> see? you ended the segment very well. thank you all so much. before we get a break, you know

what time it is. it is time for our dj t tracker. donald trump's media stock finish the day off more than 3% at just under $50 a share. just get your head around that. this is a company that basically does nothing. no technology, no advancements. it is just donald trump crazy posting all day long. so you have to think about it when you wonder who owns the stock and why? what did he do today? i told you he wasn't on the campaign trail. instead he spent the evening yukking it up with some very special customers in one of his other ventures. tonight he hosted a dinner for trump nft trading card enthusiasts. the name for the newest round of the digital cards, the mug shot edition. and while obviously we were not there, i have a sinking feeling he was pumping up his media stock to all those potential buyers who just want a piece of dj t. we are going to keep watching this media stock and make sure you know what's

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the form of the resolution is as follows. declaring the office of speaker of the house of representatives to be vacant. this is the party for the american people watching. >> well, she sure did her best, but tonight marjorie taylor greene's motion to remove house speaker johnson failed in a big way. now the chaos in the republican- led congress is far from over, and many lawmakers are leaving because of it. like my next guest, former gop congressman ken buck of colorado. he stepped down in march after

saying he was not willing to lie on behalf of his party. congressman buck, thank you for joining me. i need someone to explain what's going on in congress, and i'm pretty sure you know the answer. what is your reaction tonight to that failed vote? what is going on? >> well, it's a huge victory for speaker johnson. i think that both republicans and democrats recognized that he is doing a good job in very difficult circumstances. it is also a big loss for marjorie taylor greene. she represents a small faction of republicans that are marginalized now even further, and i think that the long-term impact of this is that speaker johnson will be able to continue to put together a broad coalition of republicans and democrats to pass important legislation. >> she and others use this term, unity party, like it is an insult, it's a negative. it isn't that what the american people are looking for, unity, bipartisanship?

>> i agree with you. bipartisanship a few years ago was a good thing. when people can work across the aisle, and there was a common ground, it was a good thing. what marginally taylor greene is trying to do is send a message to the american people that the institutions are corrupt, that the institutions are against you, the hard- working american. i think that fails, and it should fail, because the institutions are made up of a lot of really good, hard- working people, who are trying their very best under difficult circumstances, under very polarizing circumstances, to get good things done. >> they sure are, sir. you said not that long ago the dysfunction was the reason you voted to oust speaker kevin mccarthy back in october. but did removing him just create more dysfunction? think about the house paralysis during those weeks with the shutdown looming, israel and ukraine begging for aid, trying to scramble to get mike johnson

confirmed. >> first of all, there wasn't an aid package for israel or ukraine that was in the house at that point. the administration was still working to put it together. and yes, there was a period of time where we had to struggle to make sure that we got a speaker, we got a great speaker in mike johnson. and a lot of good work has happened since then. the problem that i think kevin faced was he made a lot of promises about prioritizing spending and reducing spending, and he didn't deliver on those promises. he didn't have the democrats building out, because he went back on spending bill that he agreed to with president biden, and two, he had remove certain members of the democrat party from committees. and didn't get their support. i think mike johnson has done a better job of bringing the whole congress together, and i think it shows in today's vote. >> do you worry, though, that he won't certify the election if resident biden wins? you voted to certify the election, mike johnson didn't

last time around. and donald trump has said as recently as last week, he won't accept the election results if he doesn't like them. are you worried about what mike johnson might do? he has a lot more power now? >> i'm sorry, mike johnson was in the speaker last time, he is the speaker this time. and he understands that burden, he understands the responsibility, and he understands history. that is why he felt so strongly about putting the ukraine bill on the floor, because he gets history. and i think that the difference, one of the differences may be that congress is sworn in on january 3rd. there is a big question mark, whether republicans will be in the majority or democrats. if democrats are in the majority, it will most likely be speaker hakeem jeffries who will be making the decision on whether to certify the election , along with the majority party, if the democrats do in fact win the majority. >> can we go back for a second? i feel like what i'm hearing

you say is he was okay with not doing the right thing when he was just a congressman, but when he is speaker of the house he will do the right thing. is that right? >> well, there was a political decision to make. i made the decision to certify the electors. others, congressman chip roy and others made the decision to certify the electors. the decision not to certify the electors was, i believe, a political decision. they knew that the democrats had the vote to certify the electors. they knew the donald trump was going to go after people who did not go to certify the electors. easy decision, just vote against it and move forward. and it is not the first time in american history we have had that. the 2016 election there were democrats who did not want to certify. it goes back years in terms of the party who did not win the election trying to challenge the election. but in this case, obviously much different. we had a riot on january 6th, we had a much larger number of republicans both in the house

and senate who decided to not certify the election. >> understood, i was just, do the right thing in politics, two different lanes. new topic. nikki haley got about 20% in last night's indiana gop primary. this woman has been out of the race for two months. should this be a big warning to donald trump? >> i think every one of the primary elections was a big warning to donald trump. i think in new hampshire there was a similar number of republicans that didn't vote, and the really interesting part of that is those republicans who didn't vote for foreman president trump were pulled and said that they will not vote for former president trump. i think he has an issue and bringing republicans to the table. his polling numbers don't reflect that. polling numbers in the battleground states are very competitive, sometimes ahead, sometimes a little behind with president biden. but the number of republicans who will not come home this

election, i think, is going to be a significant factor. >> there's two more we just heard about this week, major republicans. paul ryan and jeff duncan. age republicans, lifetime republicans who said this week they will not vote for donald trump in november. what about you? will you vote for him? >> i have said i won't vote for a convicted felon. i am not making a decision on this point on who i'm going to vote for. i want to make one thing really clear, that is jeff duncan, the former senator in georgia. not in south carolina who is in congress right now. i think there are number of high-profile republicans who will not support president trump in this election. >> i get you haven't made your decision yet, but i do want to ask you. paul ryan said this week, i just want to pull it up. i have it somewhere here. paul ryan said that this is a character issue. jeff duncan of georgia said that the gop must move on from trump if it wants to survive.

i know you are not saying who you are going to vote for, but do you agree with those two statements from those two men? >> i think there is a typical split in the republican party's between libertarians and conservatives. now we have a third group of republicans who are supporting trump and supporting trump no matter what. he has a loyalty in the republican party that is unbelievable. he also has a vote that is hard to measure in the polls, just like it was in 2016, that is very large. i think that the republican party at some point will move beyond the strong personality that donald trump exerts and will get back to the issue between conservatives and libertarians moving forward. i do think that paul was right in terms of how the republican party evolves in the next 10 years, but right now, this election it is clearly donald trump's republican party. >> congressman, pleasure to meet you. thank you for joining me, i

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>> during the previous administration my predecessor made promises which he broke

more than kept, and left a lot of people behind. when my predecessor came with the promise of quote reclaiming our country's proud your fracturing legacy. we had infrastructure every week for four years and didn't bill the thing. president joe biden is ramping up accurate attacks on donald trump. today in wisconsin he announced a $3.3 billion microsoft facility focused on artificial intelligence. he says it will create thousands of jobs, and the microsoft ceo agrees. this thing is being built. this is kind of the piece de resistance. it is being built in the same location, physical location that then president trump promised six years ago that a $10 million hub from the company foxconn would be built. he said it would be the eighth wonder of the world. but, surprise surprise, it was never built. i got two experts with me to

break this and more down. host of bloomberg's the big take podcast, and peter spiegel, managing editor for the forbes financial times. david, today even fox news had to give president biden credit for this move in wisconsin. our people finally starting to see the big benefits of this huge infrastructure package? >> the white house certainly hope so. but this is, as you pointed out, a really delicious split screen. trump there with his hard hat and going shovel, and this fallowfield that has sat there for 5+ years. joe biden going back to that hollow field and saying we are going to reap this and make this into something. you know, i think this is still the struggle for the white house, to convey to the american people that look, four major pieces of legislation were passed under this president. billions of dollars were supposed to be invested in the u.s. economy. some has been, some has not been. but communicating that of the american people, the inflation reduction act or the chips act

has this benefit that should trickle down to a lot of americans is still, i would say, there is a messaging deficit that comes with this. >> there is a disconnect. because our everyday lives are currently very expensive. i want to stay on this one point you made. because there is been a lot of research around the chips act and the infrastructure bill, and a lot of this money has not been spent by this white house. i think something like a fifth of the money. some people view this as a big failure on the part of the white house, but is it? or is it smart spending? because guess what, if they blew through all those billions of dollars already, we would be saying they are spending crazy democrats who have no discipline . >> you also need the company to show up and ask for the tax incentives to break ground. the one place i would disagree with you, i don't think we are going to see before the election biden getting credit for this. it has been happening for years. i am from phoenix, arizona. north of town, you have intel

building and chp plants down there because of the i.r.a. and the chips act. and he is getting the credit for this. in arizona, a swing state. i don't know why it is. because if you look at all the numbers, particularly labor market and unemployment, it is the tightest labor market we have had in a generation and he is getting no credit. we have a pool coming out next week to show his numbers are not even slipping on the economy because of inflation. >> so help me with this. donald trump didn't get anything done on infrastructure, but he got big corporate tax cuts done. is why so many corporate leaders still side with trump. but here's the thing. if these tax cuts get extended, and they most likely will, it crushes the economy yet again. it is the best for the absolute richest and the biggest of businesses, but it doesn't help our economy. >> we get reading after reading about what it would mean for the economy if those tax cuts were be extended. a $4 trillion deficit if those were to be extended. but as you say, there are wealthy voters lining up behind him because of the potential rewards of all of this.

i think also because we are beginning to see what we saw during his administration, this kind of spaghetti strap of economic policy. he floods what he might do or what he might not do. i think what is notable to me is you hear this kind of buzz of advisers suggesting things, and him seizing on elements of it. there was that 80 minute long interview with time magazine where there were very concrete questions about what he would do with terrorists, for instance, and there was this kind of trademark fuzziness around how big with a b, what the results of that would be. i think it feels eerily familiar to what it felt then, throw it on the wall, see what sticks, see what loopholes we can get through, and see what happens as a result. that brand of chaos is, i think, appealing to a certain wealthier trench of the election. >> but the absurdity of that messaging is that it does work, and people will say man, like it or not, he is mr. made in america. but the manufacturing renaissance that occurred in the last 20 years has happened

in the last three years under joe biden. >> electric vehicles in the south, batteries in the south, chp plants. look, you and i, we can all talk about this and put up pictures of plants going up. but when you look at the polling numbers, he's not getting credit for it. and i don't know why. the reason is what you talked about. >> i'll tell you why he's not getting credit for it. as our rent is high, our interest rates are high, everything. >> food and gas. it is inflation, inflation, inflation. you look at every poll, including the one we are about to put out. 80% of the people we poll say the biggest stress they are having financially is inflation, and they blame joe biden. >> if donald trump where the president today we would still be suffering from inflation like every other country in the developed world. but this is another when i need someone to explain to me. elon musk, ceo, cofounder of tesla. that is trump's boy. yet the crowd are anti-electric vehicles, and joe biden is the one doing so much to support ev's, the tax credits, all these

battery operations, the charging stations. how do you reconcile this one? >> elon musk is wounded or ask wounded in many ways. one of the biggest is this administration has not embraced them, so they will have car company executives come to the white house and they don't ring him there. he feels very slighted as a result of that. >> by the way, if you're going to have a meeting at the white house to talk ev, but you probably want to have them in the room. it's not like you don't have a zillion government contracts with him. >> the pentagon does, yes. we are getting to this point, where i think there is this conversation about protectionism and how president biden approaches the economy. you see so much progress and so much that china is doing, and there is a variation on the theme you heard when you are covering the pentagon and i heard in d.c., which is conflates over industrial capacity in china, that they are getting themselves a leg up in the economy. when it comes to electric vehicles, the same is

happening. china is able to make these more cheaply for whatever reason, we can debate what that is. biden has to figure out how to make that make sense to the american people, as well. before we go, and update now, an important one on the growing tension between the united states and israel. tonight president biden addressed reports that a weapons shipment was halted over concerned they might be used in a possible offensive in southeastern gaza. andrew mitchell has those details. >> reporter: tonight in a stinging rebuke of a close american ally, president biden halting a weapons shipment of 3500 bombs to israel just as israeli troops are targeting hamas. >> they go in, they haven't gone in yet. if they go in, i'm not supplying the weapons that have been used historically to deal with it. >> fearing israeli forces could drop 2000 pound bombs, as it did targeting a suspected hamas terrorist in the refugee camp last fall killing civilians. >> we have concerns about what

that would mean for the civilian population when you look at the way israel has conducted its operations in the past and what the impact on civilian operation has been. >> the move angering millions of republicans. >> i think it is an irresponsible decision. there should never be any question about america's commitment, the united states commitment to israel. >> reporter: and israeli official telling nbc news there is deep frustration over the u.s. decision, and tonight, also a rift over humanitarian aid with the border crossing now occupied by israeli tanks, a did not getting through. the state department calling that unacceptable. it comes despite secretary of state blinken's repeated urgings about aid to gaza , as he told me in israel last week. >> it is imperative that they get the food they need, the water they need. >> and tonight, new reporting. cia director william burns is back at cease-fire talks in cairo after meeting with prime minister netanyahu. u.s. official telling nbc news israel wants robert to be excluded from any cease-fire.

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read. say more. lessons from work. the white house, and the world. it is out now. we talk about this all the time. and unfortunately, you are the communications expert from that specific white house. how can this administration connect, solve for this disconnect between all of these huge accomplishments and people realize it? >> the best thing they can do is make every event and every speaking opportunity the president does a contrast with trump. and that may not feel. that is not giving people a list of what you have done. all the things he has accomplished. i know you think i'm a communications expert. >> you gave me the word listical which is a new one for me. >> right now, that may be frustrating. it is maddening. the president probably wants to bang e his head against the wal because people don't know all the things he has done. but that accomplishment i learned when i worked for president obama eight years is

it doesn't often come until the end of your time. that is when people see what you accomplished. >> so it is donald trump's day off. right? so we are not blewed to tthe trial. and he is sitting in mar-a- lago. and joe biden goes to wisconsin to the location where trump had the golden shovel and a fox con plant and joe biden delivered. in your opinion, was today brilliant strategy? >> it was great. because whether we like it or not, you and i are probably very sick of talking of donald e trump but he is going to be the republican nominee. so they need e to make everythi a choice. everything have a little edge to it. everything being, putting trump's back against the wall. because the politics stof this and the contrast is what will get covered so today was a good way of doing that. also, in a state, by the way, which was won by less than 1%

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